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Title:       Starting Over in New York After 20 Years of Fame – Jon Kabir | The 021 Podcast
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Welcome to 0ero to1. I'm your host Sam Hussein. I'm an immigrant founder. I bootstrap my company to
7 figures while creating a community of 220,000 members. Currently, I run a hedge fund for
immigrants. I started this podcast to share 0ero to1 stories of people who started with nothing but
created something meaningful and impactful despite the odds. Today's guest is John Kobir. He's a
musician, actor, podcaster, and a key media figure in the Bangladeshi media industry. He has shaped
the sound of Bangladeshi rock for more than 20 years. Recently he moved to New York City with the
mission to connect the Bangladeshi diaspora with music stories and community. Without further ado,
let's dive in.

John, how's it going? It's getting colder. I know. Yeah,

it's getting colder and I'm maybe not well prepared, but I have to be well prepared. Yeah. Yeah. But
other than that, going great, man. Yeah. I I will tell you that I've been living here for almost 16
years. 16 years and even then I am not prepared. I think Bangladesh is is just just so hard for us.

I know weatherwise I'm sure but 16 years you are actually practically a New Yorker. Yeah. I mean no
in New York for 8 years in the US for 16 years but 8 years is also a lot like I stayed in New York
or DC for a few more years. So I have been in cold areas for a long time.

Okay. But still a lot of New Yorker now eight years ago. Sure. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I've seen a lot of
New Yorker here like you know they get really agitated if you're like 10 years 15 years if you call
yourself New Yorker they were like not. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. But that's good. Um B thanks a lot
for taking your time for chatting and you know like giving me and our audience a chance to get to
know you and like as more as a person.

Uh so obviously I mean if anyone who is a Bangladeshi viewer here they'll know that you are a very
well established musician in Bangladesh. You have had I would say more than like a more than decade
career. Oh or more two decades. Two decades plus two decades plus music career ongoing ongoing man
that is yeah uh a big part of you is music is and I know that I mean we met like more casually in
recent times and I don't know that you moved to New York recently

which is like one of the best cities in the planet. Um what triggered your move? M after you because
you're already established in Bangladesh, you're set, everything is good.

In New York, you are a new player. Like it's almost like you're resetting your life. What made the
reset happen? Oo, great question. You actually answered through your question. Um, what I like about
life is new challenges. challenges or new identity like when I was in black um it was like 12 years
of my life in black then I joined Indalo um it's a different um different different ride which is
still continue and I and it will continue till like you know till I like I feel like I'm done
creatively um

and the fact that I am now here is like for the last 20 years everybody knows me like a lot of
people not everybody sorry a lot of people knows me they respect me they love me and I've been um
like you know been very fortunate that I um was in a family that like provided me a decent life and
had a lot of like opportunity to like do good things and do like you know In Bangladesh there's say
like you know um Baba Chraaya and parents under parents influences.

I really wanted to see what I can do where nobody knows me.

Actually like I I love the answer specifically because you said something about resets. Resets in a
fresh slate. Yeah. Like a blank slate. Yeah.

uh I think what happens in in life at least what I have seen is that we obviously start something
like you are a creative person you started your creative journey I want to hear actually how you
started that could be my like next interest uh on hearing your origin story but we start with this
excitement but then after we build for some time it becomes very comfortable and known and like we
we okay like okay sure I am John Kobir I'm musician And but it's kind of like a known path.

But when you are completely resetting the whole thing, blank slate as you said like no one knows you
or very few people know you.

It's a fresh start. You can be a child again. You can make mistakes. You can so nicely put. Yeah. I
can be a child again. Yes. I And I am actually being a child again. I love it. Yeah.

Yeah. Um I want to hear about actually the real John Kobir's like the child part of it. Okay. Okay.
Meaning like what made you forget if you could I know it's hard because it's been two decades of
your life. If we could go back before John Kobir was John Kobir. There was a day it was like a baby
John Kobir.

Mhm. I want to hear about how what made you interested in you in music? Were you always like a born
musician or like did you did it grow onto you? Can can you like why music?

Okay. Um and you could have been anything else, right? Right. Right. Absolutely. Went to school,
went to high school and everything. Yeah, I could have been anything. But here's the thing. Um, I
didn't like choose music. I I'm pretty much sure music chose me.

I don't know how to elaborate that, but music found me in a time or situation where I was my brain
was fresh, my heart was fresh and that time music found me and I found home in it. I literally found
a home in it when I because I remember when um mom and dad used to play music. Um, mom used to play
Rome Shungi. Dad used to play a lot of like, you know, Beatles, Michael Jackson, Madonna.

And I remember like dancing to it. um reenacting, lip syncing, but I found something at a very
little age that I couldn't connect with my like you know friends that I had like everybody listens
to music like you know it's it's a fun thing to do like you you dance you move but I used to listen
to different instrument I could actually separate instruments in my head like okay this is this at a
very early age. How old was we talking? Probably 12, 13, something like that. Okay. Yeah.

Yeah. Like I could actually hear bass without knowing that it's bass. You could intuitively feel it.
You don't need the grammar. No, exactly. I could feel like, okay, what is going on here?

MJ is singing, but what what is that piece? Where is that coming from? Who played it? Or is it
played by any human? All these things. So I was deeply in like fixated with music like what what
what why does it make me feel like this? M so that's where I think music found me and um the moment
I realized that this is it like to be very honest I never found um love and a human for me yet

like you know because I gave so much to music and it gave me so much back I don't it's beyond com
comparison. I I can't I can't say it in words. Maybe it sounds a little silly, but you know, this is
what it is, you know.

No, no, it's a No, it's not silly. It's very It's part of your identity and core. I mean, it's not
silly at all. Thanks. Um I love that you one thing is that interestingly that you actually like
thanks to your parents that they had some kind of musical uh major influence major they're not
musicians they're not like you know normal mom and pop.

Sure. Sure. But they were music uh listeners or like appreciators. Yeah. And seems like your mom and
dad had different tastes of music a little bit. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

And I'm thinking of this again like this little John brain who is like just marinating in this music
and then trying to transport to your childhood is that like oh you are able to dis like decipher all
these like little notes separating in your head dissecting everything.

Dissecting everything. And did you all these like feelings and stuff did you start putting it into
an instrument or how what what did you do because you were a child right? like 13 years old. What
did you do?

I didn't do anything. I just kept listening and listening and listening and listening and singing
along, listening, playing air guitar. Man, fascinated by this whole universe. What is this beautiful
thing? It makes me happy. It makes me sad. It makes me angry. Like I can't find a single art form
that can make me feel like this. At least I can't. I'm sure there are, but I can't. It will

it like, you know, it's it's crazy. It's crazy that it can make me go through it's so much like ups
and downs in life like say I'm in a good mood but I hear something that is very sad. I instantly
without any reason go sad. M I remember crying like I remember I didn't know what like you know um a
relationship is or heartbreak is I like even talk before talking to a girl in my life. I knew what
heartbreak is through music. That's the beauty of it.

Wow. Yeah. I didn't have to experience it through like in real life. I I can tell you I can assure
you I never met a girl back then at that time. I didn't talk to a girl.

But through music I get to know, oh wow, what is what is Yeah. People go through this. Okay. And I
felt genuinely sad for the artist that Oh my god, this is really heartbreaking. M it's uh music is
wow like it's very you are very deep in music like I from my perspective your face like you're
literally no it's it's fascinating I'm not coming out of judgment I'm coming out of fascination that
u a human I'm just thinking like this is a human soul from my perspective is experiencing life
through music

like the just the life itself through music And you do not have I mean fascinating concept which
will already stay with me forever is that oh like you have not been to war but if you listen to war
music like I don't know I was listening to this Russian uh and like band which is like speaking
against the Russian government called I speak few few weeks ago. Wow. Um pretty bold.

Yeah. But I didn't uh like I obviously didn't go there but I was feeling there kind of like they're
suffering like oh there people are families are dying in Ukraine and in Russia like in any war zone
um and you basically all these human experiences which others feel you are feeling it through music
that's f even without experiencing it. Yeah, absolutely. I felt anger. I felt like

without even those things like you know coming to me in real life. I felt it through music like oh
okay. Are you uh are you spiritual? Here's the thing. I am not spiritual. I'm not hardcore
religious.

Yeah. I would say there are two different things. Religious is like you're following a structural uh
like big ones you know like there the same way there are big texts there there are big religions.
Yeah. I don't think I'm spiritual but music does something to me. I don't know how to like know
maybe it's something spiritual to me.

Actually maybe I I'll ref rephrase the question what I'm trying to understand. Um you can connect
with other humans and humanity through music which I understand but do you connect with something
beyond humanity through music? Like in the music have you ever felt transcendent that oh I don't
this is not humanity? Mhm. It feels bigger. Have you felt that feeling for some music?

I did feel yeah I did feel that way for some artists some like some particular songs I I did feel
that way like you know there's something bigger than what we see or what we feel

I felt it yeah but not in a whole context of uh spirituality. M okay I would be curious to like yeah
explore more on that on that side maybe someday sure with you. Um so coming from your childhood
understood that you basically uh were dissecting all these uh I don't know this fascination towards
this newly found world. Uh when did you so you were more like a music koisier let's say back then
like a little boy

when did it switch from being a koisier because like you are also a creator now established one so
like when did the first creation start when did you start dumping all these visions and all these
ideas into like okay let me put it down in any instrument What age was that?

So even after um doing like professionally like you know doing music for almost more than two
decades. Mhm. I sometimes I feel really hesitated to like you know um introduce myself as a
musician. M there's a reason because I feel I am more like if there has to be a designation I am
more like a music lover than a musician like I remember one of my closest um like friend dear like
elderly brother in my life

who's not there anymore he told me something which really stuck to me he was like Um, I feel like
you are someone, you're so in love with music, even if you don't do music or you never had the
chance to do music, you will still be the same.

And he he kind of said it in a funny way like if you had a short like a trouser and nothing to wear
um like to cover your upper body and if you had a meal to go to sleep and a guitar, I think you'll
do. You'll be fine. You'll be happy. And I was like, yeah, like I don't have to have to do music.
Mhm. Okay, here's the thing. My biggest fear in life, it's going to Yeah. It's not death. It's not
um me being um

completely not able to walk. My legs don't work. are me being blind. I think my biggest fear is
going deaf. If I can't hear music, I think that's the day I I'll pull the plug on me. I hope I hope
that doesn't happen. Um, so yeah. Um coming coming back to your question is that it moves me so much
that I remember my mom she gave me the first guitar. Mhm. And it was in New York

in 1996. Yeah. She got me my first guitar in New York. I remember that vividly. You're like, "Okay,
you you're you're crazy. So here is something I'm going to do for you." So mom bought me a an
acoustic guitar. It was not branded. Mhm.

And I remember I've never learned guitar. I don't know how it works. I I don't know how it like know
to play or anything, but I remember came back home and I just very oddly shaped. I did something on
the guitar and I just start banging.

I I love this rephrasing actually. Uh sorry memories. I'm like let's see how it I've seen in TV's
Metallica like soundware and everything they play but I don't know how to play.

So I did some sort of shaping with my fingers and I started playing and after an hour of playing the
same thing I remember after an hour for the first time in my life I came to know like maybe so I
didn't know like I played something. So after probably five, six years, I came to know that that was
a chord D. I didn't even know.

I love how you entered the the rephrase. Uh what I was going to say that I love the rephrase which
is also like a very interesting rephrase for me to reflect on and learn is that um you don't see
yourself like a music uh coner or like creator. These are like unnecessary words which I'm
inventing. You are actually a music lover.

Meaning like just music is just passing through you. uh you are just like this consciousness who is
listening all this uh seeing this I don't know experiencing all these visions or all these uh bays
and like it's not even a vision it's more like an experience

but it's passing through you and some of these passroughs you are just jotting it down some of them
not all of them majority but you're always in that state yeah that's that's how it is yeah so yeah
that's how music found me and I've been fascinated since and here's the fun part.

I've seen a lot of my colleague I've seen a lot of musicians somehow when they get like famous or
sort of like you know they're think that made it and I've seen like a little like people get like
you know a little burnt out and everything. Mhm. I also do but that's when I do music but I am never
tired of listening.

I'm never tired of listening. I'm never tired of exploring new music. It actually rejuvenates me.
It's so amazing that you have found your kind of like true love. Absolutely. True love. It is a lot
of people struggle with that. Uh this is I would say like the biggest struggle I have seen in
general in humanity. Um because I meet a lot of people in New York and everywhere. I'm I'm a social
person. I meet people from all different backgrounds, all different kinds of people.

Um, and I feel like very few people are lucky to be able to find that this like love which is like
they're so obsessed with it. No, it doesn't even matter if they win a award, if they do not win
award, they don't care like or earn money. They're just in love. Like what is the there's no other
question when you're in lovely hopelessly. Yeah.

And naturally like it's you're not even forcing it. It's like happening naturally. How I guess like
this is I have not found the answer to this question. I don't know if you did. Is that how to
actually find it for like how do other people find it? Oh my god.

Because it's like a zen you're in a zen mood like you're always in this like nirvana mood. How do
other people find it? Because I'm sure that every soul uh one vision or one dream I have I mean I'm
sure it will not come true or maybe it will who knows is I would love to live in a world where
everyone found their love in whatever they want such magical place that will be everyone will be so
fascinating

everyone will be magical everyone is so passionate about what they do everyone will be fulfilled
fulfilled and happy and their soul will be Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. I don't know how like
how do we democratize this thing? We want to democratize wealth but I don't care how well I'm like
that's fine. Like did you like I mean sorry for going to a lot of tangents.

Yes, you do. I I I have a lot of question for you too. Yeah. Yeah. So like one struggle I have been
facing in the western world I'll be honest in the last and I I'm like now more vocal about it. Um
because now I am fully settled here. I don't have passport issues. I'm like okay now it's time to
come out fully.

U is that um I feel like the west however the west is uh one of the ideas in the west is capitalism
or hyper capitalism which is very predominantly taking over the whole world which is that financial
growth, economic growth and technology growth. These are the only thing which matters and you have
to do it at expense of everything. But if you look at the people here, I have so many friends who
grew up here.

Many of them are not happy like just internally empty dead. But I mean I grew up in Bangladesh
partly in Saudi Arabia like we are so communal. We are like connected and connected with whatever we
do like more purpose oriented or more connected with soul.

So I really want to uh somehow help people who are so advanced financially or first world country
people but find more fulfillment in their soul. And this should also go to Bangladesh.

I mean Bangladesh people are also now like oh we need to make more money and we have to now status
games like oh you have I mean Bangladesh is all status games like okay you have a bigger house I
have a bigger house. How many houses do you have? That's the only conversations Bangladesh is doing.
How much car do you have?

Which car do you have? How big of a kbani guru you gave like that's like the biggest how how big is
the marriage expense? Uh how many attended?

I'm like this is not I don't I'm going to a very long tangent but how do we uh what are the small
blessings you had in your life or what are the practices you do or which made you more into in tuned
to your soul. I just don't know how to take this from you and give it to others also if but I I
don't know.

Actually, I got the question, but the answer is actually it's actually within you.

Something that you love and something that fascinates you. I believe it will find you in whatever
shape or form it will find you and initially you will struggle with it to understand it. What is
this?

Initially you'll struggle with like with music I'm like okay why am I like this and why others are
not like this? Am I like weird? Am I weird? Like, you know, so that was a struggle to figure it out.
Like, and you're going to struggle with it, but eventually it will stick with you and you will see
like, okay, so this is the calling or with the stress is the thing that everyone goes through. There
is no single person in this world who doesn't have stress. Sure. Sure.

Different like it varies. Some has like financial stress, some people have like you know social
stress. Definitely. Yeah. Stress will always be there. But through all of this the true love will
find you in whatever shape or form and then you got to give into it.

That's I think that's the that's the that worked for me. I can't say for everyone else that worked
for me. Did you ever have a point in your career that the you were doubting that you want to be like
creating music or it never had? It never happened. It never happened. I knew the day one when I
started uh writing music when I started singing day one I knew that I'm good.

I'm not saying I knew I'm going to be successful. That's completely different. Success depends on a
lot of things. Correct. Yeah. But one thing is that I knew I'm good.

Good as in in my to my year I'm good. Yeah. And good means like you love it. So like you will be
good. I mean how can you not be good in something you love? Absolutely. Absolutely. Yeah. I knew
that I'm good.

A lot of people might think I'm boasting but it's not. No, no, don't like I'm not saying success. I
I'm saying I felt like I'm good with it. Yeah, you're good with it. Yeah.

Yeah. I guess like one thing I wanted to know is that it seems like you have been I mean now I'm
understanding you as a person um you seem like always a little bit staying away from the general
typical limelight as a musician. Is that intentional? One of the reason I'm here, man. One of the
reason that I'm here, um, limelight is a thing that, you know, a

to be very honest, not many people, my person or people, whatever, not many people can handle that.
M I've seen that like literally in front of me like they can't handle either they go completely
rowdy with it or they go completely numb with it. So they don't they can't handle it like you know I
think it's in in our nature like say you're born you're in a family you're supposed to know your um
naturally

your relatives your relatives your friends and everything that's it you're not supposed to be in
front of like 20,000 people and you're not I mean naturally speaking agreed you're not supposed to
deal with um people asking you question all the time that you don't know so I feel like it it's
pretty hard for someone to like you know properly consume the fame and everything. So yeah for me I
always always all the time I don't know why I don't know how

I always thought these are the consequences of what I do and as long as like it's I love doing my
thing consequences will be there. There's no point dwelling in those consequences. I agreed like
what like you know they're there because you did your thing. If you didn't they weren't be there. So
you do your thing. Don't think about it.

Yeah. A lot of people the consequences do get uh in a lot of people's head as you are saying because
we are not naturally uh used to this kind of like it's not a natural human experience as you said
like we are only supposed to be known by family member. Yeah. You know where it comes from.

Say when you do good in school your mom and dad goes like you did good. You did good. Thank you.
Wow. Good job. You're my son. I'm proud of you.

Yeah. Or maybe your brother goes like, "You're the best brother." Or friends like, "That's amazing."
And like maybe relatives like, "Okay, that's great." But when you hear it from a completely unknown
person, it shakes you like, "Wait, what?" Yeah. Why? You don't even know me. Exactly. And I have not
done anything for you.

It's sort of kind of dopamine that we can't handle. M and Yeah.

And I would say like this is a I would say almost like a newer experience as a humanity because if
you look at the whole human civilization before 100 years this wasn't a common experience because
social media wasn't there um and basically I mean maybe the kings enjoyed it a little bit but not in
a daily way but now you can every second you can have a dominant boost if you're a famous musician
who has 1 million followers globally People from everywhere will give you a dopamine.

Oh, thank you. Oh, you're so amazing. It's like, dude, like or or an influencer nowadays.

Or influencer. Yeah. You don't even have to be anything anymore. You don't have to be creating
anything anymore. That's the fun thing. You just have to put yourself out there. Yeah. You have to
That's it. It's sad and very crazy at the same time.

Yeah. I the people the many of the influencers I mean I'm not saying everyone because there are
different types but u doesn't seem very happy like it it doesn't seem like a very fulfilling life if
that is the only thing they do if they I don't know s imagine um when you're like very young and you
had this pressure from your parents like you have to do well

you have to do like no you have to get a in every subject that you're in. Sure. How would you feel?
So much pressure. I mean, I grew up with this kind of pressure. So, same here. We all did. Yeah. And
this is from your parents.

And now all these people like who are into like social media and everything. Even musicians, actors,
they're they have to like if they post 10 post, it has to do well. And when you see other people
commit like you know bashing you and everything you that's your answer. Yeah. It gets to their head
like it is impossible for you to not get it to the head. Yeah.

And as a human I always feel you are not supposed to do well every day or every time. No. You are
not designed to do that. I'm not designed to like my all my songs are not designed to do or connect
with people millions of views. Yeah.

There will be songs that doesn't connect with anyone. That means that's for me. Yeah. And if I go
like, "Oh my god, this song, nobody cared about this song. Oh my god, what's going to happen?"
That's where they get really crazy. Does it get to your head sometimes or No, no. Because If you ask
me why, I think I I think I'm pretty much sure I do it for myself. I do it for myself. Again,
everything is consequences. Mhm.

If I didn't pick the guitar up that my mom gave me, and if I didn't play that D chord for one hour
straight without knowing what's going on, people wouldn't have heard about me. they wouldn't know
who I who I am. So for me that is more important than what you know my song's doing well or not.

One thing I have to say John Bai is that u we are new to each other and I'm just getting to know you
but I we had few interactions like probably what three four three four very few interactions. One
thing I actually really admire about you and I will keep it as the uh because I we all have our own
framework on how we admire people. Of course. Of course.

Uh is that you seem to be really like grounded as a person like very grounded and very detached uh
from the ego like little bit like you are all the things you are doing seems to be just for your own
happiness. You are not seeking validation from others. It is so easy to fall onto it.

There are so many famous people, so many rich and famous people and because I live in New York, I
meet a lot of them, but so sad inside like that. All they need is love. I'm like, dude, like, do you
need a hug? All right. Exactly. That's like it feels so sad.

I've seen so much like when you walk down the street, you'll see in their face and you feel like,
"Hey, man, are you okay?" Yeah. You can see that.

Yeah. But they're not like if you're looking at like literally just rankings and monetary value and
everything. They are really well off. They're crushing it. They're like crushing it A+ in
everything. They were A in the school and now they're A in life. Like the moneywise, fame wise,
everything. But I don't know how this came to you uh this blessing.

Uh but I'm so glad that you have this uh nothing can like fully throw you down anymore because you
you're not attached to any of these things. Even if the fame or all these things goes away like okay
you're happy you're doing the thing you like done.

Yeah. A lot of people see before moving here like a lot of my friends I have very few friends. So
Mhm. friends and like you know people that you like count on. Yeah. Yeah. Count on to know. Sure.
Sure. Most of majority of them actually told me like dude are you sure because you know you're this
is hard like you are 45 you're going to a city um that nobody knows you how are you going to manage
and you sure and I was like nobody gets me. Yeah

that is the beauty of life. I love the uncertain I can I couldn't be dropped dead tomorrow or now.
That's the beauty of it. Yeah. If you knew that you're going to live for next 500 years, it's I
think it's going to be boring. Yeah. So I was I answered them like like dude, this is the best thing
like you know going to an uncertain age. You don't know what's going to happen. And it influenced I
wrote a bunch of songs in recent times in in the last 4 months. Really? Yeah.

Oh, like and and the songs times are I'm sure a little bit different because you're Oh, yeah. It
sounds completely different. It sounds completely That's the thing. A lot of people like back home
they think like you know you've done everything. You're settled. You're like you know that's it.
What else there to do? Yeah. much more much more.

I can live on the streets. Not maybe not in this winter and if you like given the chance I can live
on the streets. M yeah I mean that that would also give you a lot of experience and like yeah a lot
of perspective in life. Uh coming back to the uh your music career. So you are in black before. How
many years were you in black? 13 years. 13 years. So black was your first kind of major
breakthrough. Yeah, black was the first band that we formed. Few friends. Yeah,

few friends. Uh 13 years in black and then immediately after that you started in after a year. After
a year you took like a little break here. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. That's very important. Yes. Yes. Oh,
that's so important. Yes. You don't jump ships.

No. Agreed. Agreed. Yeah. This is the one thing I really like I disagree with people like you can't
jump ships like right away. No, you need to find yourself again.

Definitely. That is so vital. Um and there is a concept I'm sure you have heard of this concept
sabbatical which I love it. Um is that every seven or eight years there is a or sometimes it's
longer or smaller it doesn't matter. There is a major carrier reset. One year you are not doing
anything. You're just doing the eat pray love kind of thing and you are finding yourself and you're
coming back in a bigger force in a bigger this is my

this is this is oh I love it so this is uh so okay so from black the 13 years and one year break in
started when was it which year 12 2012 oh my god so okay so okay so okay so okay so okay so okay so
okay so okay so okay so okay so you are in your second jump now like the second post Indelo
territory

okay so so Indalo started in 2012 and what was the thesis of Indalo like how was it different from
black I guess u it's it's super different with black it's mostly like uh five individuals um each
songwriter will uh present few like some songs and we used to work on it like I came up with a song
and the rest of the others will work on it

someone else come with the song we work on it but all the songs were created literally in the room
with everybody playing stuff at that right moment that became soal is more like experimental more
collaborative more collaborative yeah more collaborative like everyone's giving their best at the
same time which is actually very rare very rare to come up with good ideas at the same time like
with four people

it's very very rare so that's the biggest difference And I I I actually fell in love with this
process more because it's less pressure on one person. M. And how many bandmates were there in in We
started with four, now we have five. We we are five. Yeah.

Okay. So five people. All of them are basically like creating each of these music songs together
basically. Yeah. Live on the spot. On the spot. Yeah. M and then like how do you keep experimenting
and find the final version or how does Yeah. Like a song maybe say we come up with some idea. Day
one it's an idea. Sure. We play around the idea. Okay. I like this. All right. Whatever you're doing
I like this.

It can be better. So day one idea. Maybe after a month of playing with the idea it becomes something
sustainable. And maybe after 2 3 months we can say like okay this has a potential to be a song. We
don't go like first day and like this is nice, this is great, this is no because a song, this is
another thing that I really like to preach to younger kids. A song happens maybe an idea happens
momentarily

when you get excited. It's an idea like yes we can work on it. But with a spark, it's not a complete
song. A song take it needs to be weathered because I have an emotion like I I write something after
a week when I listen to that or if I see like oh my god that was terrible at that moment it will
trick you like this is great this is great but after a week or two weeks when you come to that and
like no what was I thinking it can't be better

yeah kind of like when you smoke weed and you think that you have the best ideas in the planet. But
anyway, later you know that you're just smoking. Yeah. Yeah. But yeah, a song needs to be weathered.

I feel like I feel like to present to your audience, it needs to be weathered. It needs to um
resonate with your audience. So you should work on it.

I love the this is another like for me this whole thing is so fascinating because you have a you
live in a completely different world from mine. So all these things are like interesting learning
process for me. So it it seems like you are almost Indalo for example is kind of like a musical
research institute. It's it it operates as it's a research institute.

So you are running a you are scientists musical scientists you are running experiments and basically
you have like this all like and the way you find the fun experience. Although there is this fun
moment, magic but then you keep doing research more and more more and more and more and then slowly
which you call weather or like marinates. Yeah.

And after the marination you have the whole final almost like research publication. Yep. Yep. Yep.
And this is one published thing.

Um and then h I'm very curious about like in this research process 13 years also in ino that's
interesting black 13 years now it's indelalo 13 years uh you have something with the 13 is maybe
your number for uh the the the switching lucky 13 lucky 13 yeah lucky yeah yeah I don't believe
lucky or unlucky but yes like it is the switching time um in these times like did you have any
memory which is very special that in this whole in dalo chapter uh either in the process of creating
this music you had a moment where you like really felt magical I'm sure music is magical for you all
the time but something which will stand out in your your when you're old like okay see that song or
that particular memory of creating that song was so magical so fascinating

do you have any of this memory I I honestly think the entire like the last 13 years and more that's
coming. I think it has been super magical because like I can show you our WhatsApp group. Sure.

It's always happen running. It's not only that it's like I came like I I give say I post something a
new music like a YouTube clip like guys this is amazing listen to it. Within a second it's the same
video posted by Zubar and it's like we were in sync without even knowing and I'm like and we're both
like what the hell? We just shared the same thing the same time. Then Bart would come like our bass
player would

put some ideas and I'm like dude I whatever you're saying I wrote this idea down last night. It's
crazy. So it is completely magical with this band. Like it's so weird that we think alike and the
and like we're in from the same uh birth year also us three. M the best part to be to be very honest
and the best part is we're in our 40s. But with this guys,

it doesn't feel like we're in 40s. Feels like we're still in our teenage year. Yeah. Because the
productivity, because the vision, the dreams that we share without even speak. By the way,
fascinating part now that we're in our 40s or with Indalo, it never happens. We don't uh do
hangouts.

We're not into like, oh, let's meet up somewhere and have meetings or let's just have some fun. We
don't we just get like most of the time we're just creating music and we have our own lives. And I
still don't know how this magic happens. It's actually very very fascinating to me. M like a lot of
bands back home they like go to places together they they yeah they dine together they like you know
go take vacations together

a lot of bands we never did that never never never the connection seems to be very strong like the
the connection and the like the natural connection uh and this is why like it doesn't matter where
you stay if you stay in different areas Exactly exactly the the attraction ction of this the brain
sync is so easy you come keep coming back to it automatically like oh if I have this idea let me
share with them and they do the same and this like oh that's amazing that I'm so happy that you
actually found something like that

man oh man I'm the luckiest luckiest MF in this world so like you have another because you are like
a person who is uh like in tune and like following this way I think like you also attract people who
are you're sending the signals to people automatically you're attracting the right kind of people
and it's it gets easy for you. Okay. Now integration like to come to you like attracting that same
kind of people like

as you said we didn't have like much uh interactions before. Correct. Correct. But here's the thing
I found you are one of them. Yes. We found like a easy very easy connection.

Yeah. We never like from the get-go we didn't have a a bit of awkwardness like true. I thought like
yeah John we we know each other for some time. Yeah. Which is very hard to find. Yeah. Which is true
hard to find. True. I still I don't know what you actually do.

Man that is the hardest question. I'm a drug dealer in New York. Just kidding. No. But here is the
thing to me. It doesn't matter what you do. M it never m it never matters to me like what you do.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. Trust me when I like say that to people sometimes they think I'm exaggerating but
it doesn't matter what you do if the wavegen if the wavelength is same. M we will be best friends.
Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I think so actually tell me what you do.

Oh man. Oh man. because I've met a lot of um our local community here. Yeah. And very few people
thinks like you like I haven't seen people like who think like you. So what do you actually do? B
what I actually do is a very interesting question because I I I also am more operating in the last
couple of years uh in this uh what should I say like vibecentric connection for lack of better words

that whatever is the right frequency I just go with the flow and this is this has been my uh
modality for last couple of years but I'll answer you what I do is very separate from who I am
internally And I do not I never let them uh absorb me because I am so important. My center is so
important, so precious. Uh I will never get want to be defined by what I do. See this is where we
are completely opposite really

because I do like who I am is what I do. I'm a dreamer. I love music and that's what I ended up
doing. Yeah, I mean in that kind of way maybe I'll tell you a little bit of manifestation of what I
have done um more practical sense. I mean I'm an I mean for traditional what if you want to really
put me in boxes which I don't want to be

is that I'm an entrepreneur that's has been my main character um like um I started a nonprofit where
we help people from all over the world to move to the US and that nonprofit has 220,000 members.
That's one.

Uh and then second is that I started a for-profit where we help people who are in here uh immigrants
who are here. We help them land their first job, build their first businesses, get their secure
their stay in the US. Um but the reason I say that what I do especially in entrepreneurship and me
is a little different because entrepreneurship is is more like a group endeavor. It's it has a
mission. It's like a ship. Mhm. For example, indoor is your ship.

A ship has lot of different players. It's a a lot of different things. But I am separate from the
ship. I am just one of the person in the ship.

I go to the ship, do my ship duties which I like and then come out because I am the the reason I say
it's I I'm separate from it and I I want to keep it separate because I am what I really um dislike
and like the one of the switches I had in my mindset couple years ago is that humans are not
necessarily nouns and if you have to define humans as nouns it's very hard.

Humans are verbs.

Interesting. So uh like if you oh are you a doctor? Are you a musician? Are you a this or
entrepreneur? I'm like I am all of I can be five things together. Better question is like what do
you love doing in your day-to-day life and that can become music that can become uh I don't know
business.

So I love if you want to understand what I am I love connecting different dots.

my natural strength when I was really young when I was kind of like similar to like this age like
the early stage exciting age um 12 13 I I would say yeah like yeah 12 6 7 grade 67 I was growing up
in Saudi Arabia my parents were doctors so they were in the work all the time there all the time in
the work and I was at home with my really two younger brothers but I had a big gap with them like I
was four years older than my later one.

Yeah. And the the other two younger brothers, they're more close, so they're more friends and I'm
like more like I don't know a weird big brother. Very natural. Yeah. Weird big brother grabb.

So I spend a lot of time thinking and brainstorming. So because I grew up in three different like
multiple languages. So Bangla, Arabic and English. I was like uh why are there so many different
languages and none of the people can uh pronounce the other language like in Arabic you have ah like
ain there is no ain in English like how do you pronounce ain there's no

there's no phonetical representation so at the age of 12 or 13 I created a whole language system
where you can pronounce all these separate things in a singular thing I I don't know maybe there are
like 50 letters or something with all the symbols So the way you are saying like I could resonate
like when you could see all this. Mhm.

My natural talent is that you dump me into let's say five different things. I will see patterns
where no one can see the pattern in between completely opposite things.

That's a that's a superpower. That's talent man. It's a super power. It is a superpower. It's it's
and and I mean I don't again not trying to be arrogant or anything because like it's not even mine
like it has been gifted to me because I was I from my childhood I could see when I mean I I I don't
know how personal we I mean I don't want to go like too personal but

Oh you can if it's necessary you can go personal. U I had such weird thoughts when I was young and I
none of the kids could relate to me and I couldn't relate to I'm like why I was like I'm a weird
like weird kid weird kid really weird kid um so I think this was probably in grade seven or eight
like again in the teenager times u I had this idea that the whole world that so we have five senses
right like listening, music like sorry ear, smelling, taste, you understand five senses

and u I realized that in these five senses there is pleasure and there is pain. So you can have a
pleasurecentric like I saw that the whole humanity is built on pleasuring these five senses there
there's the I don't know food industry massive food industry in Bangladesh or globally all catering
towards your mouth senses you are a mouth uh it's a mouth industry all is about pleasuring it
however you can pleasure this thing

with music you have love music or like listening and smell good smell but what I saw is that there
isn't enough industry for pain. There is no supplier of pain. I saw that humanity is automatically
getting a little bit biased towards pleasure. Like if you see humanity as like this 100 flies,
little little flies, they're all flying in one direction. What is that direction? It's the direction
of pleasure of these five senses. They don't even know it. Chasing pleasure.

Chasing pleasure unknowingly like like literally like the this um I don't know flies seeking the
light. I thought that how will the world look like we are blind on one side we don't know there are
very few people few people who go through the pain very few people who can do that and they are the
they're a little bit less blind they are a little bit um u they can see the humanity in a little bit
different way

majority of the humans can only see the world in a one way but This thought I had in like grade
seven or eight which is how is that how is it possible and like I even think like I am in Saudi
Arabia like I mean I didn't read any science fiction why am I thinking so big why am I thinking in
the scale of humanity at the age of seven or eight and why am I finding these patterns and thinking
by myself as a kid there are so many things I can think of it doesn't matter why this

why this kind of and this has been my pattern that I am always I always feel like I'm an alien. I
feel like I can I'm very social and I can mix and completely merge with a person but when I'm home
at by myself I feel like I'm an alien researcher.

I came to understand this species and I always feel like I'm separate from this species but or I'm a
part of this species but still u I am so detached from it.

I can see all the human trends how everyone thinks all these patterns I can connect all of them in
my mind naturally all the time all this and this is so ingrained I do it continuously so if you want
want to know that okay what do I do that is what I do dude that's never it's not a job it's not a
job

it sounds more it's more than a job it's like it's me yeah it's like this is what you are set out to
do this feels like it yes this is your calling so my calling is that Um what I understood is that
because I am so good at it. Mhm.

And the same when you're saying like see I'm I know that I'm good. I'm like I am also so good at it
naturally. I think my biggest contribution in humanity is or will be that how do I show a new way
for humans that oh this has been done this way. Oh maybe there are these new different ways and I'm
doing it all the time and whenever there is a bigger force running in one direction because now west
and capitalism and this is all which is happening

now I'm already switching on the other direction now I'm like no this is not sustainable everyone is
interested in AI everyone is interested all in all this I'm like this seems like a very big fluke
and I want I want like that too yes let's take because you're a musician you're already connected
with the you're you're an intuitive person. So I want to basically so I guess yeah that's what is my
strength.

That's amazing man. That's I I see here's the thing that's why we connected because I've never met a
person like you ever in my life before. You're the first one.

Yeah. Maybe I mean um yeah the problem is that we need to be uh doctors and engineers and musicians
and entrepreneurs and founders and physicists that is that's not uh even in that's a bad
representation I would say. Yeah. Yeah. It's like a set of rules set of rules and you have to fit in
that box. If you are a if I say that John B you're a musician.

I'm like I'm already boxing you. I have zero curiosity. That's why I was right.

Hey, that's I now understand like okay the musician that's that's it that's where it ends but I
don't want John to end in that limit and that's why I was I'm trying to understand what is your you
are also a pattern recognizer you're also exactly like me but you're the patterns you recognize are
the musical patterns that's your um however biologically you are built and the fun thing is that
none of these things are also us.

It's not. It's given to you. You're a baby. The baby was just having fun with it. That's it. And to
be very honest, it's given to you. I I want to be this baby forever. Like

forever day I am gone or I just want to be like this. Yeah. Yeah. It's such a great high. It's such
a great high. Yeah. But anyway, did I answer your question? I completely understand what you're
like, you know.

Yeah. You're like, as you said, you're an alien. You an alien. I feel like an Yes. I feel I mean,
there are some humans I could connect with. I do connect with more weirdos. I do connect with the
within the human race.

I connect with people who are a little bit alien within them. That's why we connected. That's why we
connected that you are not also fully you're not able to connect with everyone.

Right. Right. Right. Absolutely. So you are also a little bit alien means a little bit weird. Not in
a negative way. No. Yeah. No. To be very honest, wherever like where we are heading, uh I think
being weird is a good thing now. Yes. Yeah. Yeah. Definitely. Yeah.

Being weird is the good thing. Otherwise, everyone's chasing the same dream. Everyone's chasing the
same thing. It's it's being weird is good. I feel like it, you know. Yeah.

I can share u I want to I mean I want to come back to your thing but because it's connected with
what I was saying the reason I do not want to connect with again like what I do or what is so I call
it like these are all manifestations of whenever I keep doing this pattern recognition or this
connection finding u a lot of things happen automatically

I started finding connections in money and immigration this problem when I started then it became a
company it it was a byproduct it wasn't what I was trying to do I wasn't oh I have to make a company
I was just again researcher this super connectctor that so whenever I am again doing something like
the way you are saying that you created this particular music that particular song might be liked by
someone might not be liked by someone it doesn't matter you did it for yourself

yeah So the same way whatever I'm manifesting I wrote a book that is a one manifestation but I was
just trying to connect dots the book is literally called word map which is I'm connecting different
words that is that became a book so that you know like I wasn't writing a book I was just connecting
different things and that form of connection became a book and then I was connecting different ideas
in a YouTube channel then it became a YouTube channel I started taking classes like long story so
everything I do is the same thing always a dot connector

because it's like it feels like everything is what you're doing it came to you organically. Yes, it
came to me organically because that's what I do. But you can name it a book. It can you can name it
a company. You can but these are not me. My song is not me. It's my product. I am separate. It came
out of you.

It came out of me. Um uh I am going through a little bit transition, massive transition in my career
life in a big way and the next version is going to be so epic. I cannot wait to for that to come for
me. Forget about the world. Same here. Same here. I can't either.

Yes. So the so all my u I would say contribution in the last decade has been on helping marginalized
people a little bit to come here fulfill their dream immigrants landing their first jobs. a lot of
like helping who people who do not have to get something like go to a better position, go to a
better security, you understand more like a social cause, right?

But I think my next project is going to be very different in the way that uh it will be maybe my
greatest work. I don't know I I don't know it could be there could be more great work in the future
but that will be way different than what I have done. Um so what I realized uh in the last couple of
years especially because I've been doing meditation and somewhat getting into spirituality and
consciousness and human consciousness. So this is my most favorite topic right now.

Um that so I I do a lot of diving like scuba diving underwater diving. Uh I am a big uh that's one
of my biggest hobbies like consistent hobbies.

I'm scared of that thing. I don't know why, but it's my most happy place basically. Like literally
how Yes. It's my most happy place. You'll never see me as happy as I'm underwater. Um that is
fascinating.

Yeah. I mean this is I'm a I I don't know. My mom said I was a fish like I'm I have been always good
in water. Natural water. You just drop me. I can stay in the ocean for 5 6 hours. I do not get
tired. I do not get tired in swimming ever. I I'm like a full water animal. Wow. or organically like
I don't you say that that's your happy place is it's I'm just trying to picture that it's a just
imagine a fish that's where

um so what I realiz so like I mean I'll tell you what why the reason it's also my happy place so
first of all I really like this moment of every every noise going away uh and then you can only
appreciate a very little moment in a very zoomed in format Um, so when I'm in underwater, you are in
this oxygen tanks and you are, let's say, looking at this fish colony, uh, and then you are seeing
that, oh, this cute little fish, they're like staying in their family, their room, they're doing
their own little thing and there's no noise.

You do not have to check Facebook. You have like no noise, no clutter. And because you're
underwater, you're also a little bit floaty. So it's almost like dreamlike state. In a real life,
it's without any drugs. It's very difficult to create that kind of thing without any drugs because
you're not in drug. You're sober. Sober underwater.

But it feels like a it feels like, oh, this is real life. Like I am seeing it in my eyes, but it's a
civilization happening.

Yeah. Here's the thing. What you're saying, I can feel it. I can actually feel it. That Yeah, it
should feel that way. Correct. Yes. But for you maybe the water under the transition has not
happened. That movie the movie Jaws there's a movie Jaws. Yeah. That killed it for me like Yes.

So so underwater and then over the ground uh also like trees. So my main fascination for the last
one year or two years a couple years but it's like getting more hold of me now. I'm becoming
uncontrollable. uh which is basically um I am really trying to and partially able to connect with
other species.

So u I want to start a inter species dialogue. So what? Yeah. So like basically what I want to do is
that uh humans are obviously connected to themsel. We have communication language. Um we are very
absorbed within our own lives. Meaning like if you look at the wars like oh identity politics is
very look at the whole human species.

The reason all these wars happen is because they're just ego. This is a fighting now. Oh, Russia
versus Ukraine, Palestine versus Israel. Okay, we have to make more money. America versus this that
or religions. Humans are very attached to their identities. I am Bangladeshi. I am Indian. Yes,
very. But I'm like dude, you are a human biology. You're you are a monkey. Few millions year now.
You are a better monkey. Functional

functional monkey with a little bit self awareness. But that's all you are. What is Bangladesh? What
is this boundary? Where did it come from? So humans are very deep in their identities whatever that
is. That's okay. It gives them a purpose. It gives them tribal this uh boundary.

But problem is that this identity also creates a lot of this wars and struggles and dominating each
other and competition. It's not good for it. This the species is at a stage where first of all it is
at a brink of collapse. Every few years there's the nuclear issues. Yeah.

AI is coming. It can completely obliterate this species forever. What is my interest right now is to
understand the other species which have lived longer than humans because humans are very young
species, baby species, but somehow they think they're the smartest one.

Um, and bring the intelligence of these trees like I met this tree and I'm telling you met because
it was more like an encounter and not like just meeting this is 700 years old tree. This was in
Australia. a rainforest called dry drain tree rainforest which is the most primitive rainforest in
the world. Amazon is the largest. Australia has the oldest rainforest in the world.

The whole movie Avatar was made made out of the based on that based on that area. Uh or the
inspiration came from that. I met this tree 700y old sitting like this large tree giving this whole
area this nourishment. and so kind just sitting all right still chill just sitting 700 years in one
area such as in like so much wisdom imagine how many people cross through it how much it has seen

trees are also very like intelligent they're connected with their root networks they can understand
differences in the like they have their own intelligence so what I want to do for the next decades
of my life is that can I bring the intelligence of other species and learnings things from them and
bring that to the humans and remind the humans that also if we are a sentient species as we say how
can we be kinder to other species and everyone around us

because it doesn't seem like a sentient species when you look at a human does it feel like they're
sentient it seems like monkey like you get so mad at everything you're so it's like a kid it's not a
wise sentient 8 billion people do you think they're sentient if there are sentient wouldn't have
been here. The world would not look like this.

So I want to remind humans that humans are sentient and if we are sentient then let's show it in
action. Let's be kind. Let's actually be sentient. Dude, that is insane. So that's my next project.
This is this is and this is going to be so disruptive, so global and doesn't have to be reaching
global but I'm like it will be a big work for me. Biggest work. You'll be the real life Dr.
Doolittle probably who talks to talks to animals. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. So anyway, so that's my next next adventure. A little weird, but doesn't matter. It's not
weird at all. It's not weird at all. Wow. I Yeah. So me in I really want to We have to create uh I
have to invite you to some music. Very unique. Have you heard of plant music?

I had two experience but not not that big of an experience but very brief. Yeah. You can you can
connect all these like electronic wires and stuff and then you can hear there is whale sound music.

So definitely I want to introduce some of the music of the animal world to you. Please let me know
and that will also automatically in your journey it will start injecting. Please let me know. But
anyway um lot about me. Yeah, Jai wanted to hear like what is uh basically so you're in Dalo and
then now you're going through this new transition came to the US um

actually how uh is there any struggle you're facing in the US now because you're new yeah struggle
of course what are the struggles the struggles are first of all I had like behavioral struggles I
like how as I was saying like back home people don't smile at you I didn't see that.

So here when I came here like for the first like couple of months when people smiled at me I smiled
and it was a cultural shock for me. So that was a struggle but it's a positive struggle right like I
didn't know what to do. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah.

Yeah. And to be very honest if you ask me about my struggle struggle so far I'm I can tell you that
I'm fortunate enough to not go through that so far. That's good.

Yeah. So all the struggles are basically me missing my family. That makes sense. The biggest
struggle is me missing my dog. That your dog is in Bangladesh. Yeah. My mom and my brother that is
the biggest struggle like I miss her and my mom and of course of course playing music with indalo
that's I think this is the biggest struggle like also like right now you're not doing the indalo
anymore or unable to do it. Yeah. We're just sabbatical and hiatus. Yeah. Okay.

And um that's it. That's about it. No more struggle so far. And I have joined uh Tana as we were
speaking. Congrats on that. Oh, thank you. Thank you. The people lovely people. They they actually
like you know they're really nice. You know very Yeah.

So they they want me to like you know uh do like since I had podcast and everything. So I'll work
around the music and basically I'm the head of u events and programs. So okay I'll be taking care of
like you know the music part the podcast part and everything. Let's see. Love it. The fun part. The
fun part. Yeah. Which is my strongest uh like thing. Yeah. Yeah.

So Tikana just for the audience uh it's a probably the largest Yeah. largest uh Bangla community
based uh media company. Media company. Yeah. Yes. So like non-Banglashi residents probably the
largest um company and you uh your goal will be to uh like what kind of events are they doing?

Uh my goal is to for now it's to create few shows and create few programs where like we can bridge
the gap between Bangladesh and NRBs like you know I see there is a gap here. M um um I feel like to
be honest like uh in terms of taste in music and programs um Bangladesh the audience in our country
is more up to date than here

because of like a lot of people came here way back so they're not up to date you know what I'm
saying so I feel like I can be that uh bridge yeah I'm already started working and similarly I'm
going to work towards events in that way. So, let's see what happens because I think uh people here
our local community needs to be updated what's going back home because we actually are

doing pretty good as in in our like like in Bangladesh music up today influencer it's it's a huge
boom in influencer market like in Bangladesh so I'm trying to bridge that gap here here seem like
people are a little like um oldie old school. Yeah.

Yeah. I I did realize this difference because although I have not been living in Bangladesh but I
have been going to Bangladesh almost every year uh for the last 5 6 years and whenever I go to house
parties and there's music parties in Bangladesh. I'm like wow this is Bangladesh now.

You had no idea.

I'm like so I went to uh this uh Purandhaka which is like a uh you know Purandhaka like very oh
you're from Pur so I went to Shakran festival which is this kite festival it's a very old old school
festival traditional festival and I love the festival I went to a shakran party uh and at night we
went to a rooftop one of my friend who is also from New York she's also visiting Bangladesh or she
moved to Bangladesh actually Um she was like hey see I'm come to this rooftop party.

I'm like okay let's go to the rooftop party. What will happen in Bangladesh? I mean sure.

I was like wow it's like full EDM full light las and I'm like wow this is Bangladesh now and almost
like you I had it was a ticketed party like I had to pay to get in.

I'm like wow Bangladesh has this kind of parties now. Yeah. Uh that's so impressed. I was so
impressed. I mean I I really want to bridge that like gap between Yeah. Because here people are I
feel like they need to also be updated what's going on in our country. There are a lot of cool
things happening. Do you know this uh thing called Ara fashion week? I might have heard of it.

Okay. A lot of very cool things happening in Bangladesh. So when does it happen again? I think it's
happening now within a week. They've been doing it for like uh three four years probably almost.
It's great event for fashion people like you know.

What are the other cool events? H shakran is obviously on it's been a long time and um other cool
events right now whatever politically it's going on it's not a good time it's not a good time sure
for concerts and everything but other than this situation we are having shows all the time like and
yeah a lot of lot of like influencer are they're doing good and we actually excelled man excelled
yeah

so coming to the tana uh thing. So you want to bridge the gap. Yeah.

And um what kind of events are you thinking of experimenting now in this group of people? Okay. Uh I
came to know there are a lot of artists here like young artists. Artists as in not only music or
like like artists like paints and everything all kind of artists. I want to create a hub where you
can have an event where there are young bands playing and also young artists can showcase their work
like painting like making jewelries like like here

here because I've seen a lot of young people here they don't come out like because they think what
their parents has taught in Bangl from Bangladesh they don't feel any attachment they feel like it's
very back backdated. It's very dated.

So they need to come out too. They need to create a movement too. So that is one of kind of event
that I really want to do. M that's a good uh scope and that's a good audience because the parents it
will be difficult for you to convert them but you can target their kids uh who maybe has the wrong
impression about Bangladesh. Yeah. Because because of because of their parents.

Yeah. their parents like may maybe playing dated music that's not connecting with them. That makes
sense. That's a good And is that the immigrant hub thing I saw like in the thing? Is that same
thing? It will be. Yes. Yes.

Okay. Okay. I love the I love the immigrant hub branding as well. Goes completely with my brand.
Again, it's you love the you saying you love the brand name and everything.

No. No. Yeah. It's on par with my brand. Yes. Yes. It came It's basically Ruhin's idea. M I was like
like give me a name like what and he was like this he's really good with it. Yeah. Yeah. I love it.
Yeah. Yeah.

So yeah they're doing this thing and I'm glad that I'm a part of it actually. Yeah. Yeah. Yeah. I
think this will be a very good contribution to the community. Hopefully. Hopefully. Let's see what
happens.

Yeah. And excited about the next year's like all the initiatives you're doing. Uh the podcast and
what what were the intent of the podcast or what is the format? Uh it would free flowing free
flowing. I have few g guests in my um like uh radar. I just don't want to drop the name. No. Yeah. I
just want to drop the episodes.

Episodes. Yeah. Yeah. And then they're coming out next year as next year. What's the name of the
podcast going to be? Is it set or? Oh, no. Not yet. Okay.

Got it. Got it. We we'll definitely be in the lookout for that. Thanks for having um John, this has
been great having you. Uh we have been Wish I wish we could like that's where it ends like the
camera will shut off now but this will go this will go on. Yeah.

Yeah.

Um I wanted to so you're you are currently excited about the tikana and this like this is your in
the in the clos neck uh I guess uh for the audience did you want to share anything uh any I don't
know like any I'm going to keep the floor open for you for as I always said like as a consumer right
now the word consumer no more audience consumer you're consuming to audience or consumer, whatever
sounds good to you.

Whatever you consume or whatever you're watching or listening, whatever that is, give your heart to
that. Like even if you're

watching something political, try to understand why this is happening. Rather than uh sharing uh
like like everyone like like as a ship like oh this is happening, oh my god or look at this. Try to
understand why this is happening. If you're listening to a music, try to understand why this once
resonates with you. If you're watching a movie, try to understand why it's resonant. Like try to get
things. Just don't be a consumer. Yeah, that's try to go deep.

Yeah. Try to like you know find out why out of zillions of content why you are watching this. Try to
understand that. I love that message. This is a great message.

Thank you. Um John by this has been great. Thanks a lot. It was it was amazing. Yeah. Thanks for uh
opening like showing a glimpse of you. Honestly, I didn't know much about you. So it's uh and I mean
as you said from the first day we had this connection and the more we are talking I feel like we
have this we we're just ruminating starting on that connection. Yeah. Yeah. Thank you. All right.
Thank you. Right. Mexico.